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 Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:00 pm Post subject: Music boss: we were wrong to go to war with consumers |
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The boss of Warner Music has made a rare public confession that the music industry has to take some of the blame for the rise of p2p file sharing.
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Unfortunately, any genuine feeling expressed in this seemingly revelatory outpouring will be lost in the "fog of war" as most people are now firmly convinced that the music industry has adopted a fiercely confrontational stance with its customers. It will take a bit more than some weasel words and praise of Apple's iPhone to change minds.
Seeing prices come down, no DRM content and less legal bullying may be a start.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Although it's nice to hear that the music industry is talking as though it finally gets the message, and realises what Apple and other companies have done for music, seeing any change might be different.
Talk is cheap.
On the other hand, if they really have seen the light, and do start to change their business practises so that we might benefit, then fantastic. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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personally i believe its just a honey trap ...
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| So, when we can expect Warner music DRM free on the iTunes Store, then? And when will they allow their customers to user their legally purchased music tracks as ringtones?? That is what people want, after all. |
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| marklar77 wrote: | | So, when we can expect Warner music DRM free on the iTunes Store, then? And when will they allow their customers to user their legally purchased music tracks as ringtones?? That is what people want, after all. |
It most certainly is not what I want.
On the other hand I have no fear that allowing those options will increase the price WM needs to charge me for the CD's I want.
What I would like is for them to make their catalogue available through a download site for a price that reflects the fact that they do not need to manufacture the CD nor design and manufacture the packaging nor transport it nor inclue wholesaler's and retailer's profits.
Around 5p a minute would be about correct.
Probably what they make from physical CD's
And around what AllofMP3 and their replacement were and are charging for top quality downloads.  |
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Where did this idea that they don't have to design packaging any more? People still want an image to go with their download. It was a very requested feature of iTunes before Apple implemented it, and this was before the store.
What you want, qpw3141, is a society where everything is free and everyone is equal. Welcome to the real world. I don't mind paying for the things I like. Market still dictates price. Don't like the price something is being sold for, don't buy, but don't steal it either. Find it cheaper, or do without it. |
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qpw3141
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| hdasmith wrote: | | Where did this idea that they don't have to design packaging any more? People still want an image to go with their download. It was a very requested feature of iTunes before Apple implemented it, and this was before the store. |
Album art is only a small part of packaging. You do it once and it does not need to be manufactured anew for each purchase.
| Quote: | | What you want, qpw3141, is a society where everything is free and everyone is equal. Welcome to the real world. I don't mind paying for the things I like. Market still dictates price. Don't like the price something is being sold for, don't buy, but don't steal it either. Find it cheaper, or do without it. |
Would you please try reading what is actually written.
It would stop you making a complete [LIFTED] of yourself by making asinine and patronising comments that don't relate to what was said.
All I did say was that I would be happy to pay exactly what I pay now for for a physical CD less the amount that the record company saves by not having to manufacture, transport and sell that CD.
There's nothing unreasonable about that and it certainly doesn't warrant cocky references to the real world, wanting things for nothing and stealing. |
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I bought a CD the other day - I tend to buy CDs for bands that I care about more than a fleeting curiosity (though fleeting iTunes curiosity could lead to further CD purchases).
The CD came with some great artwork, and a nicely folding double CD case. I truly don’t mind paying for that. Album artwork on iTunes isn’t as good as some make out - small, bitty and ....
... we could have the same woeful discussion about the death of the LP and the gatefold album sleeves that they used to come with.
As they stand, the artwork which ships with an iTunes purchase pays lipservice to the notion - and those which have had PDF or Flash based content really haven’t held my attention for that long. Far less than a well designed CD box.
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| hdasmith wrote: | | Where did this idea that they don't have to design packaging any more? People still want an image to go with their download. It was a very requested feature of iTunes before Apple implemented it, and this was before the store. |
I went to great efforts to find album artwork for all my albums, this was before they built the download artwork into iTunes. I even resorted to an Applescript to google it.
Though I would like to use my existing tracks on an iPhone when I get one and not pay again for a track that I have already bought.
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| paulzolo wrote: | | The CD came with some great artwork, and a nicely folding double CD case. |
I agree.I don't mind paying the £7 or £8 it costs to purchase a CD nowadays if I know it's a CD I'm definitely going to listen to a lot.
Where I would really like to be able to get it a lot cheaper is with artists I don't know and have been recommended or produced one track I know I like.
I can imagine spending £10-12 a week buying three or four of those as pure downloads.
The record companies and artists would make a great more out of that money than they do out of the nothing I spend with them on experimental purchases at the moment.
It's ironic that it's their greed and grasping attitude that is stopping them making as much money as they could. |
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daftfunk
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i agree, why download when you can buy the cd, most of the time its cheaper anyway. i think £5 an album download is about right.
if i want to buy some software direct i think it was quickbooks, a CD would cost $10 more than the download, there is a clear incentive for me to download and burn it to disc myself then they save money in postage, packaging and labour costs.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| qpw3141 wrote: | Would you please try reading what is actually written.
It would stop you making a complete [LIFTED] of yourself by making asinine and patronising comments that don't relate to what was said.
All I did say was that I would be happy to pay exactly what I pay now for for a physical CD less the amount that the record company saves by not having to manufacture, transport and sell that CD.
There's nothing unreasonable about that and it certainly doesn't warrant cocky references to the real world, wanting things for nothing and stealing. |
Sorry, re-reading I did over react to the above comment, however, I do think you underestimate the amount it costs to produce a digital copy. OK, there's nothing physical, but there are different costs associated with it. I would expect a little mark-up because of convenience. Saying 5p sounds about right, in my mind, sounds ridiculously small. |
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qpw3141
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Sorry to get so cross.
Don't forget that CD's tend to be lot longer know than LP's were. Looking at the last one I bought it was 72 mins which at 5p a minute would be £3.60.
I wouldn't have thought that the nett profit on a CD would exceed that since you can get them for £7-£8 nowadays.
I wouldn't want to bet money on it, though.
The thing is, I'd be happy to pay whatever the appropriate coast was. It just rankles being expected to pay the same for an in ferior quality download knowing that it's not costing the record companies nearly as muc to supply. |
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